An independent study of oil markets concludes that speculation by large investors was a primary reason for the surge in oil prices during the first half of the year and for the more recent price declines.
Nothing is going to take us back to the heyday of cheap energy. Americans have been fortunate enough to live like royalty for years, now no matter how much we rush to some percieved source, whether its more oil or coal (clean or not), sun, wind, you-name-it, nothing is going to provide us with the same amount of energy. Therefore, AS we debate which ones will provide some energy, we had better damn well learn to live with a lot less. A LOT LESS.
Stay healthy because you'll need to walk/ride your bike, garden, and do a thousand regular activities by hand instead of relying on a machine. Learn to repair things, and forget about fashion. The media is not telling you about this because its owned by corporations (just a few) and the last thing they want is for you to stop spending money like water. If you learn the truth and simplify your life, it will just make the collapse happen more quickly, but its going to happen anyway, so why not be prepared?
Once I can remember the Great George Bush saying there was no such thing as global warming, now he is all for doing something. Does anybody know how we won world war II? We did it by sacrificing, and by the industrial base of this country. We now need to sacrifice by paying higher taxes, more for a gallon of gas and put the brain power of this country to work getting us off the oil tit. The next great technology is the energy technology, it will make the information technology look like the model T
I would love see a graph of global oil demand versus price. I think it would clearly show that the demand growth has been slow and steady while the price has fluctuated wildly. Barrons had an article about this a few months ago.
This is a quote from worldwatch.org
Global demand for oil reached 85.7 million barrels per day in 2007, a modest 1-percent increase over the 84.9 million barrels consumed daily in 2006. This marked the third straight year in which oil demand grew at an annual rate of less than 2 percent.
you go gurl (kate), once those few company have sucked the last dollar out of this country they will live somewhere else. leaving behind a third rate banana republic. It strike me kinda of funny how after 911 the great George bush comes out and say go shopping america. a economy based on consumer spending is going to fail, for some reason we have decided to sell off our industrial base, the one we used to win world war II.
Keep in mind that the speculators were allowed to do this because of an amendment to a farm bill added on at 3AM one morning in the Senate. It allows speculation outside of the SEC's regulations, outside of the US, with no margins, so that they can bid the prices up to the moon if they want. The author of this amendment--Sen. Phil Gramm of Texas, Mc Cain's campaign advisor on finance & the next Secretary of the Treasury, who will also be in charge of Fannie & Freddie, despite the fact that he was the one most responsible for the sub-prime mortgage mess. Kinda gives you the warm fuzzies, don't it?
I've been saying this for months. I guess the evidence finally caught up to common sense. I want to know why oil is now down 30% from it's high of $147/barrel which represented a price of $4.39 per gallon in my IL subdivision to $102/barrel which represents a price per gallon of $4.09!! It seems odd to me that gas prices easily went up at the same record pace that oil prices did but now that oil prices have dramtically dropped gas prices have seen a 7% decline instead of the 30% deline that oil took. If gas prices had declined at the same rate as oil prices we should be seeing prices of $3.07 per gallon at the pump instead of $4.09 per gallon at the pump. Will no one represent the people on this issue? Will no one look at the price gouging that has and continues to occur. This is the same email I sent my state representatives because someone needs to stand up for us afterall we're paying them enough.
As far as WHO was investing in it, there was an article already published on that.
I guess my link didn't work. Google the company Vitol and you'll find the answers.
The republicans have wanted to let their friends drill anywhere and everywhere but couldn't get anything passed. They are getting kicked out of office, so what better time to run up oil prices, do nothing about it, and try to get the public behind uplimited, unregulated drilling.
I am a commodities broker in gold and silver. There are a few things that you have to remember. Any speculators or group of speculators that drive prices up and down artificially, will get caught "short or long" in the long run, and will lose money. Supply and demand and the value of the currency purchasing the commodity drives price. The value of the dollar has been week, thus gold, silver, copper, oil, etc. are more expensive. China, the US, India, and other nations have been buying commodities more than any other time in history. Yes, speculation occurs, but it only affects about 10% of the price and then stabilizes as speculators, buyers, and sellers take advantage of the mismatch in prices and drive the price to where it should be. Remeber the Hunt brothers and the price of silver in 1979?
Also, this report is politically motivated. Congress is in a pinch. The environmental lobby is pushing them to stop exploration. Their influential constituents are pushing them not to drill. On the other hand, the non-influencial constituents (general public, who can't see past tomorrow) want drilling and exploration in areas known to have oil. They also don't want to be shown as flip flopping ( changing position based on new information used to be a strength) and the political fodder that it provides.
Finally, the oil companies and speculators are an easy target.
Rather than blame everyone, we need to develop alternatives (moon shot scale), and let the radical Muslims and communist (south American and Russians) use it for brushing their teeth and bathing in it.
With the right leadership and money, this country could drive the price of gasoline down to less than $1.00 per gallon in seven years. Nuclear, solar, oil, natural gas, bio-fuels, and wind, combined with increased battery development could put an end to this problem and allow us to argue and debate the next one. The people need to speak in no uncertain terms.
Of course someone is going to win and somebody is goint to loose....thanks very much Captain Obvious, not that you don't have a vested interest in defending the specs...more trades = more money for you and/or your firm.....right?
The shear volume of money is driving the cost. Who the hell cares if one spec investor gets burned or not, the bottom line is that the consumer has to pay the run up prices eventually. Remove thier money from the market if they have no intension of ever taking delivery and you'll be a long way to having prices truely reflect actual supply and demand.
There is a HUGE difference in specs that take delivery (ie airlines, chemicals, refiners) and make goods, they have to buy the commodity. They are at the mercy of specs who can control a bbl of oil for 7% the actual cost. That's a lot of leverage. More 'investment'....more levereage.
Frankly your post is insulting to those who have basic reasoning skills as your trying to feed us that same tired old line (or lines) about S&D and China and India and the value of the dollar. There is no shortage of oil and the basic fact that it is not currently rationed by governments the world over more than backs that statement up.
The price of a gallon of gas can be at a buck if you get the 'investment' money out. The specs who take delivery and make products have to be thier. We don't have to piss away billions or trillions of dollars or marginal 'alternatives' to do that. "investment' money in 2003 was 13 billion, today it is over 220 billion....your the broker, you do the math. The cost of oil has increase proportionally with the investment money, not the cost of the dollar, or the increase in demand or any other line of BS that comes out of mouths of people like yourself. Your pathetic.
BOY! That is a surprise! gee whiz! I never thought of that!
why is the congress going to let the alternative energy tax cut die, is it because they give to big of a tax cut to big oil? No it is because big oil runs the country. It is no longer we the people but we the big business
The Government not only thinks we are stupid, they can prove it. After all, they only educate their own children, not America's, they should know.
Item one:This is Enron style market manpulation, the same method employed to rig the California electricity market. Because we allow people like McCain and Dodd and Lieberman and McConnell and Levine, all these Senators, to return each year to govern, we richly deserve the abuse.
Item Two: If America is dumb enough to self flagellate for 8 years under the intellectual supertrain that is W, we are a cinch to shoe in part of the problem multi-millionaire dump your wife for the blond hottie Senator that is McCain. Good luck to you and yours spunky. I hope we survive the War against Iran of 2009 an beyond as we join Georgia to die it up with Russia. Hail McCain. Hail Cheney...sorry sir...don't tase me...HAIL MCCAIN! HAIL CHENEY! HAIL BUSH! OWWW!
Item Three, to women: With the poor and non Republican males off to fight in Georgia and the Great Persia Blood Bath of Iran, remember to save your metal and rubber scraps. Collection will be Thursdays.
Unattractive Women: If you are unable to pay your rent, you can live in the shanty towns that line the toxic waste dumps and prospect for metal. Bring gloves and boots. If you become sick and can't get off you sleeping mat, you can serve as a Camp Hostess.
Attractive women: Relax. You will always have value in Republica! On your knees!
Item Four: Good video on YouTube. "Roll Out The Tinman, We'll Have A Barrel Of Fun."
PS I realize Obama is hard to vote for, for many people. But he is better than Kerry...WTF can't beat 'em join 'em. HAIL MCCAIN! HAIL CHENEY! HAIL BUSH! I'm calling my broker and swithing to oil futures.
you know....all you clowns who want to drag the polititions into every GD thing you post on are a bunch of knuckleheads. The Republicans this....the Democrats that...8 years of the same is McCain....12 years ago the Enron loopholes passed during a Democratic administration. I got news for you. If you think that either one of these parties has the answers, you a bigger bunch of morons then the polititions you bash. You aren't changing anything by voting the same parties in year after year. Piss off.
In the aftermath of 09-11 the stock market was shut down for a week or so.. Despite dire predictions to the contrary (mostly by denizens of Wall Street) the country did not fall apart - the finances of our nation did not go the way of the doe doe bird - and the nation survived that interruption very well.. My suggestion would be to try shutting down the stock exchanges for three months as an experiment in keeping the economy stable.. If it was determined that things were going badly - open it up before the three month time had expired - but my feeling is that everything would run smoothly.. Enron is mentioned - the housing / mortgage situation is mentioned - and of course oil.. The common denominator seems to be the stock market - so lets try living without it for a while... An interesting experiment if nothing else - and of course the denizens of the stock market would have to getr real jobs and work for a living - same as their victims...
gamerk2- your question is a good one. There still is a considerable reserve base in the United States. For example in the deep water Gulf (water depths from 1000-7000') the industry has discovered lower Tertiary reserves on the order of 4-5 BBO with more to come, in ND and MT (and Saskatchewan) Bakken oil reserves could be as much as 2-4BBO. In Alaska much potential remains for oil and (now that a natural gas pipeline is in the works) natural gas. Also the US is the only country in the world that has not explored it entire continental shelf so there could be lots there. Unfortunately when the country consumes somewhere around 18 MMBO/day, 4 Billion barrels only last about 220 days. There's the rub, you can blame speculators, politicians, conspiracies, the corruption that any huge industry attracts, hell anything you want, but the reality is there is only so much and we use alot of it, so sometime in the near future the world is going to realize that production is declining and then (if we don't have VIABLE alternatives) @!$%# will hit the proverbial fan. (Let's see 200 years of oil that the conspiracy types say is in a secret field in Alaska 200x365-18mmbopd=1.3 trillion barrels. wow, the largest field ever discovered, Gwahar in Saudi Arabia. has only 70 billion barrels recoverable, so those conspiracy types must know something that the whole of the very competitive oil industry doesn't.)
Also CO oil shale has a tough future enviornmentally and technically. It takes large amounts of water and there's not a hugh oversupply in the arid west.
Anyway, it is time to stop pointing fingers and start treating all energy types as a critical resource, one to be developed with enviornmental repect. We can try to blame everyone else for the high price of energy, but we are as much personably responsible as anyone else.
Also remember the best enviornmental protection usually occurs in areas with a healthy economy not those places of high populations and a third world economy.
(And no, I don't work for "Big Oil", I'm just a very small exploration Company)
Oil should not be traded on Wall Street. The speculators that have been the primary cause in the increase of oil prices must be stopped. The sell when THEY think the sky is falling. The US government should stop the trading on the open market and find another way to control oil futures on hard evidence.That way we can address these issues with the govt.. And they will be responsible to the American people.
well oil is the only thing that backs the US Dollar.
CCdesign. Get real $1 BBL oil ! The cost for WATER disposal in oil production is usually 1-5 dollars a barrel (in the US). A typical well in the US can cost 3 miilion and recover 250-500,000 bbls ( with no risk or other investment costs ). That's $5-15 / BBL front end. Do the math. Energy is too important to not know the real facts
?
CCdesign. Sorry, I thought you said $1 BBL not $1 gallon.
not a problem
Why give CFTC any authority. They clearly have neglected to use what they have. Another worthless governmental agency. Fire the bunch of them.
did they happen to mention the names of the funds or banks or whoever was speculating?
i mean it takes huge money to do this. your 401k didnt make this happen
they never name names. wonder why?
1. the names would send the american people over the edge especially in an election year.
2. the story is just that a story. no proof of anything. alot of us said this months ago that the market was being manipulated.."they said supply/demand" now demand is down "they say speculators"
hmmmm seems those that say maybe the ones that are guilty
cyan,
the common misconseption is that the 'specualtors' are manipulating the market. They are not. Many if not all of the stories heard in the mainstream media lump all 'speculators' together as doing the same thing. Nothing can be further from the truth.
Speculators have always been in the commodity markets. Most if not all where buyers who actually take possesion of a given commodity, in this case it's oil. Speculators that take delivery such as refiners, chemical companies, airlines etc not only buy, but hedge thier bets for future use. This is the speculation that has always been there and does help to keep prices stable under normal circumstances.
however since late 2002 and early 2003 massive amounts of money have been flowing into the commodity markets from hedge funds, mutual funds, pension funds etc. Oil investment alone increased from 13 billion in 03 to 260 billion in mid 08. Since July nearly 40 billion has come back out and you see where oil has gone. Chances are, if you have a mutual fund, some of your money has been used to invest in commodities. THESE are the so called speculators (I prefer the term investor) that are the problem. Because so much money is flowing in, the price has nothing to do but go up. Sure someone is selling and buying each contract. The problem is investors that are there to make a fast buck have a huge advantage over buyers.
Investors only need to place 7% margin (vs. 50% for stocks) the total cost of a bbl of oil. That means that the investors can control about 14x the amount of oil than the buyers with the same amount of money. Simplified, if you area buyer and oil is at $100 bbl. I can control 14 bbls with the same amount of money that you can buy one. That is a huge amount of leverage and the investors can basically can contol most of the oil which forces the actual buyers to pay the higher price. And during the massive run-up, the buyers had to pay the higher price because each day the amount of investment money increased. That trickles down quickly to the pump and you and me end up paying.
This is all legal and straight up. There maybe a few instances where someone tried to manipulate prices, but the majority of the trading is legal. The stories and talking heads don't even attempt to explain what I just tried to. It is dismissed as 'its not the speculators'. The only thing missing from thier lame explanations is "end of story".
You're in Easy Mode. If you prefer, you can use XHTML Mode instead. |